On Tuesday, I posted the first part of an interview with Brian Crewe, who’s been working in editing in Hollywood since the late ’90s.
Here’s part two:
You note that it’s very hard to guage the quality of an editor’s work. Do you think the DVD era is changing that, what with director’s cuts, deleted scenes, alternate endings, making-of docs, etc., etc.?
I think DVD has changed a lot about how much the public knows about the process of filmmaking. I think the documentaries and commentary tracks offer a great insight into the process of filmmaking.
Take the Ridley Scott film, Kingdom of Heaven. He and editor Dody Dorn had to take what was supposed to be a four hour film and cut it down to under three hours because the studio wanted to make sure theaters could get an extra screening time. The result was a film that was reviewed some what poorly and flopped at the box office.
On DVD you can now watch the four hour director approved edition and by all reports it’s magnificent.
That’s really more film business related, the new Mallrats DVD offers a great window into the creative process. Admittedly, the film by writer /director Kevin Smith is not exactly high brow cinema but it is something of a cult classic. Smith and producer Scott Mossier have cut all of their film except for Mallrats, which was their first studio film.
Despite the film costing seven million dollars Smith chose to shoot the film in wide shots, rarely shooting any close-ups. He had done this on Clerks for budget reasons and picked it up as a style. For the 10th Anniversary DVD he and Mossier decided they would try to take a crack at reediting the film to restore some deleted material and offer fans a look at what might have if they had been the editors.
Now seasoned filmmakers with six features to their credit they discovered to their horror that there was nothing they could do. Because everything was shot in those wide shots the choices made by the original editor were the only ones to be made. So while the DVD does contain a new cut of the film, that cut is essential all those really long master shots strung together.
By watching the two cuts you can start to see what a good editor brings to the table. The longer cut meanders along with no pacing or purpose, while the original has a fun brisk pace.
Also could you go into more detail, if it’s possible, what makes someone like Walter Murch or Michael Kahn so good? Do they have signature styles, like directors and actors? Can you tell the work of a particular editor just by watching some footage?
Alas, you can’t, or at least I find it very hard. I think being a good editor is like being a great musician in an orchestra. They have to be able to play their instrument in a variety of different ways depending on what the composer and the conductor demand. For an editor the story will dictate a pace and momentum that has to followed.
Someone like Michael Kahn is interesting because he’s worked almost exclusively with Steven Spielberg since Close Encounters of The Third Kind in 1977. As Spielberg’s style has evolved, I think you are also watching his chemistry with his editor evolve. The more they know about each other, the bolder choices they can make. Watch the first scene of Minority Report, which is an amazing piece of editing cutting between a murder that hasn’t happened yet and the Cruise simultaneously reviewing the future evidence. That kind of scene can only be executed by people who have been working together for years and have a great understanding of what they are capable of.
Walter Murch, if anyone has read his book, In the Blink of Eye, you know that he is some thing of film philosopher.
I know he’s not credited as the editor on The Godfather but I believe he did some of the sound design. I could be mistaken but I believe it was his idea to cross cut the murders of the five families with the baptism of Michael’s niece. Coppola had shot each of the scenes as separate elements but hadn’t any idea of how they went together. It was in the edit room that the idea came to have Michael taking these vows renouncing Satan and his works as we watch the murders he ordered play out.
Think about the impact of watching those scenes as separate elements rather than all inter-cut. Different movie.
Editor’s note: Wow.
And how much of good editing is piecing together a series of quick shots, knowing exactly when to start a shot and when to end it, pacing and sequencing, etc. and how much of it is just taking a whole pile of film and remaking the narrative?
Good editing is as much about knowing when to make a series of quick cuts and when not to make any edits at all.
This is why many people are harsh with filmmakers like Michael Bay or Simon West who started in music videos. They use numerous quick shots in nearly every scene, never holding in an image for more than a few seconds. They do this in the action scenes and in the more intimate dialog scenes. Critics say this constant rapid fire approach robs a film of any pacing because the edits are always on ten and the audience never gets a chance to slow down and take in the characters.
In his book, Walter Murch says you should think of an edit as the conclusion of a thought. A shot should have a beginning, middle, and end, basically its own mini-story. If someone picks something up, their hand will enter the frame, grab the object in question, and leave a frame, that’s a quick shot.
Let’s take a long shot from Good Will Hunting. Robin Williams and Mat Damon are sitting on the side of the river. Williams has a long speech to give. Rather than cutting to Matt Damon to get a reaction the editor stays on Williams. Because there are no edits the audience stays in the same headspace as Williams. Every word he says takes on added meaning because we are holding on the shot for so long never finishing the line of thought that has been started. It even becomes more engrossing as the camera slowly pushes into a close-up; all that great energy would have been lost if the editor had chosen to cut to Damon’s reaction mid-speech.
You can even give an edit a literary comparison (although with my spelling and grammar I may not be the best at it).
Think of a long edit as a big run on sentence that just keeps going and going never coming to the point but just being drawn out by the author never giving the audience the satisfaction of pointing a period at the end of the sentence to give the audience the satisfaction of moving on to a new topic.
Of course, some edits are short. The editor doesn’t linger on a shot.
Hopefully, that all makes sense.
You brought up the much-maligned music video style, but you seemed to take a neutral stand on it. Do you have a strong feeling about this style of constant cuts? I feel like it gets a bad name, but some of the best movies of the last decade or so have come from former video directors: Seven and Fight Club by David Fincher, Being John Malkovich and Adaptation by Spike Jonze and especially Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind by Michel Gondry, which I consider one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, some terrible hacks like McG have come out of the music video business, but just those five movies I mentioned are a pretty impressive collection of some of the most daring and interesting Hollywood movies of the last 10 years. (With the caveat that Charlie Kauffman wrote three of them.) I’m not sure if I really have a question so much as a general curiosity about your thoughts on the music video style and if there are things that that style can do that the more lingering style of a previous era cannot (besides give you more shots of boobs and explosions in 30 seconds than you ever could before).
I was taking a more academic approach to my answer. Besides I find it hard to be overly critical of films in a public setting, there are so many opinions being expressed on web pages these days and it’s so easy to be negative and ignore what good is present in a work. I’m not trying to present myself as the end all be all expert of the editing world and I’d rather the audience go with their own opinion than take mine as gospel.
Having said that, I think the music video style is great when used to service the story. I think something like The Rock is a fantastic movie. Now take that same style and put it into a film like Pearl Harbor and you have some major problems!
And yeah there are filmmakers like McG who to date has shown no understanding of the balance between style and story.
I really don’t think the style is as inventive as it’s been given credit for. The concept of a quick montage is decades old. Look at Sergei M. Eisenstein’s Bronenosets Potyomkin (1925). The film is practically the birth place of montage.
Flash forward to A Hard’s Night by Richard Lester. The movie is everything MTV was trying to do in the 1980s.
The only difference is the modern directors have the ability to pull off what used to be impossible shots and cut them a little faster. However, I find they often they are so focused on the style and trying to do shots that will make the audience go, “How did they do that?” That they forget the story they are telling.
I do like much of David Fincher’s films but you can’t tell me he was thinking about the story when he decide to move the camera through the handle of the coffee pot in Panic Room! That’s just a filmmaker jerking off.
Once you finish this question, I’d be awfully interested to see your list of the top 10 flicks from 2005, and then, maybe if you’re feeling ambitious, your top 10 movies ever. Since it’s such a ridiculous request, I’ll get the ball rolling with my top 10 of all-time*, which I will spend no more than the next five minutes coming up with:
1) The Godfather
2) Pulp Fiction
3) Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind
4) Vertigo
5) Casablanca
6) Dr. Strangelove
7) Citizen Kane
Kundun
9) Unforgiven
10) Dog Day Afternoon
*This list subject to change on a daily basis.
You know I’ve been so busy with various projects that I don’t think I saw enough films to do a good top 10 of 2005, so how about a top 5 of films I enjoyed.
1. Munich
2. Capote
3. Good Night and Good Luck
4. Sin City
5. Batman Begins
As for a top 10 of all time, well, like you, my list changes; honestly, let’s call it a list of the 10 films that have had the greatest impact on me. Top 10 of all time is very hard to qualify. However, these are 10 films that I saw that inspired me and made me want to make movies.
1. Star Wars (original edition)
2. Clerks
3. Highlander
4. Pulp Fiction
5. Trainspotting
6. Superman The Movie
7. Raiders of The Lost Ark
8. Apocalypse Now (original edition)
9. Star Trek II
10. American Graffiti
Brian, thank you so much for your time. I really have found your answers insightful and interesting. So I have one last question for you, which you can answer any you want: what would be your dream project? (Oh yes, and if you want to plug anything you’re working on now, plug, plug away!)
Thanks for the interview, I really enjoyed it! Great questions. Sorry it took so long for my answers to come in. I hope you got everything you wanted and I’d happy to answer any questions you might have in the future.
My goal for my career is to make films that have can an impact beyond the cinema.
My immediate dream project is “Sara’s Song.” Its a film I wrote with Natalie Plant. We are co-producing for her to play the lead and myself to direct. As you can tell from this interview I’m all about a great story and great characters, I think we’ve got both in this film.
Also, because the film deals with a childhood sexual abuse survivor we’ve decided to dedicate a portion of proceeds to charities that support rape and abuse survivors.
I’m so lucky to have been blessed with the skills to work in a medium I love; I feel its important to use my abilities to send a message of hope and understanding to those who need it.
To learn more about “Sara’s Song” please visit www.FilmCreweProductions.com.
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